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	<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Voting method debates go way back: Electing the Pope by 2152.php</title>
		<link>http://www.fairvote.org/blog/2009/06/voting-method-debates-go-way-back-electing-the-pope/#comment-594537</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Voting method debates go way back: Electing the Pope [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Voting method debates go way back: Electing the Pope by aa2/2152.php</title>
		<link>http://www.fairvote.org/blog/2009/06/voting-method-debates-go-way-back-electing-the-pope/#comment-594533</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Voting method debates go way back: Electing the Pope [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Instant runoff voting in Australia: Guest blogger Ben Raue by dlw</title>
		<link>http://www.fairvote.org/blog/2009/06/instant-runoff-voting-in-australia-guest-blog-from-ben-raue/#comment-594076</link>
		<dc:creator>dlw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it comes down to a matter of vision, I guess.

Is it efficient for you to contest every single-member election or to strive to become one of the top two parties in your country?  Wouldn't it be better if you could get enough people to see things differently so that one of the two major parties would more or less take on your positions?

I make a distinction between influence and power.  You can have influence without having a lot of power, while one can get a lot of power only by submitting to the "right" influences....

I am in favor of the use of both winner-takes-all and winner-doesn't-take-all elections.  I think if done right with proper intra-party discipline that we'd have two major parties that would be ideologically flexible, positioned around the center and a whole bunch of t-parties that would contest local winnable elections and otherwise vote strategically.  

For this to work, you need intraparty discipline within the major parties, and a viable non-vote or support the other side threat, as well as other measures of potential retaliation by the t-parties.  

I think though that winner-takes-all elections are here to stay and, as a result, there'll always be two major parties.  So the best we can hope for is a contested duopoly with a large no. of t-parties wielding disproportionate levels of influence.  Of course, there may still be national contenders, trying to knock out one of the major two parties, but it could be too costly to sustain such an effort over time.  I'd rather see outsiders, like myself, focus on keeping things dynamic and holding the big two accountable in their local communities.

dlw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it comes down to a matter of vision, I guess.</p>
<p>Is it efficient for you to contest every single-member election or to strive to become one of the top two parties in your country?  Wouldn&#8217;t it be better if you could get enough people to see things differently so that one of the two major parties would more or less take on your positions?</p>
<p>I make a distinction between influence and power.  You can have influence without having a lot of power, while one can get a lot of power only by submitting to the &#8220;right&#8221; influences&#8230;.</p>
<p>I am in favor of the use of both winner-takes-all and winner-doesn&#8217;t-take-all elections.  I think if done right with proper intra-party discipline that we&#8217;d have two major parties that would be ideologically flexible, positioned around the center and a whole bunch of t-parties that would contest local winnable elections and otherwise vote strategically.  </p>
<p>For this to work, you need intraparty discipline within the major parties, and a viable non-vote or support the other side threat, as well as other measures of potential retaliation by the t-parties.  </p>
<p>I think though that winner-takes-all elections are here to stay and, as a result, there&#8217;ll always be two major parties.  So the best we can hope for is a contested duopoly with a large no. of t-parties wielding disproportionate levels of influence.  Of course, there may still be national contenders, trying to knock out one of the major two parties, but it could be too costly to sustain such an effort over time.  I&#8217;d rather see outsiders, like myself, focus on keeping things dynamic and holding the big two accountable in their local communities.</p>
<p>dlw</p>
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		<title>Comment on Return of Cumulative Voting in Illinois? by dlw</title>
		<link>http://www.fairvote.org/blog/2009/06/return-of-cumulative-voting-in-illinois/#comment-594073</link>
		<dc:creator>dlw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't care about term limits, as well.

One could improve upon a multimember election by finding ways to limit the no. of candidates so that the costs of shopping around are limited.

I'd say maybe even consider the use of an open primary to fill the final ballot of say 7 candidates.  Let the incumbents be on the ballot automatically and let the open primary give parties the right to endorse as many candidates as possible, with multiple endorsements possible from parties that have sufficient voter-support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care about term limits, as well.</p>
<p>One could improve upon a multimember election by finding ways to limit the no. of candidates so that the costs of shopping around are limited.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say maybe even consider the use of an open primary to fill the final ballot of say 7 candidates.  Let the incumbents be on the ballot automatically and let the open primary give parties the right to endorse as many candidates as possible, with multiple endorsements possible from parties that have sufficient voter-support.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Slamdunk win in Minnesota Supreme Court highlights big week for instant runoff voting by FairVote &#8211; IRV America &#124; News That Matters</title>
		<link>http://www.fairvote.org/blog/2009/06/slamdunk-win-in-minnesota-supreme-court-highlights-big-week-for-instant-runoff-voting/#comment-594050</link>
		<dc:creator>FairVote &#8211; IRV America &#124; News That Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] FairVote blog on recent IRV successes [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on A Hacienda of Cards? The Mexican Congressional Election and the &#8216;Voto Nulo&#8217; Movement by Bob Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.fairvote.org/blog/2009/06/a-hacienda-of-cards-the-mexican-congressional-election-and-the-voto-nulo-movement/#comment-594049</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mexico's electoral system is not really proportional. The 200 seats awarded based on the total vote for each party are in parallel with the seats awarded to the plurality winner in each of 300 districts. While this can reduce the disproportionality of the result it does not fully compensate for it.

Such systems are generally called "parallel voting" (as at Wikipedia) or "mixed member majoritarian (MMM)". They are not MMP. Other examples include Japan and South Korea. In MMP systems, including Germany and New Zealand, the at large seats are awarded to make the legislature as a whole mirror the popular vote as a whole.

For more on Mexico, see &lt;a href="http://fruitsandvotes.com/?p=833" rel="nofollow"&gt;Fruits and Votes&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mexico&#8217;s electoral system is not really proportional. The 200 seats awarded based on the total vote for each party are in parallel with the seats awarded to the plurality winner in each of 300 districts. While this can reduce the disproportionality of the result it does not fully compensate for it.</p>
<p>Such systems are generally called &#8220;parallel voting&#8221; (as at Wikipedia) or &#8220;mixed member majoritarian (MMM)&#8221;. They are not MMP. Other examples include Japan and South Korea. In MMP systems, including Germany and New Zealand, the at large seats are awarded to make the legislature as a whole mirror the popular vote as a whole.</p>
<p>For more on Mexico, see <a href="http://fruitsandvotes.com/?p=833" rel="nofollow">Fruits and Votes</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Choice Voting on the Red Carpet by Jonathan Lundell</title>
		<link>http://www.fairvote.org/blog/2009/06/1492/#comment-593543</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Lundell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This all makes perfect sense, except for one thing. What does a policy regarding artistic matters have to do with The Love Guru?

--confused</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all makes perfect sense, except for one thing. What does a policy regarding artistic matters have to do with The Love Guru?</p>
<p>&#8211;confused</p>
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		<title>Comment on And the Oscar goes to…Proportional Voting Systems by FairVote.blog &#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://www.fairvote.org/blog/2009/01/and-the-oscar-goes-to%e2%80%a6proportional-voting-systems/#comment-593538</link>
		<dc:creator>FairVote.blog &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more qualified hands; instead, I’ll focus on the process by which the nominees are chosen.  As a colleague of mine noted earlier this year, choice voting is used to select Academy Award nominees. The importance of using choice can be [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Alternative Voting Remedies towards Increasing Minority Representation? by FairVote.blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Future Prospects of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act</title>
		<link>http://www.fairvote.org/blog/2009/06/alternative-voting-remedy-towards-increasing-minority-representation/#comment-593323</link>
		<dc:creator>FairVote.blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Future Prospects of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Section 5 may be ruled unconstitutional or narrowly structured to weaken the law.  As noted in another blog, the Supreme Court over the last two decades has limited the ability for minorities to increase [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Civic Education and the Future of Electoral Reform by Celeb visualisations: Calling @stephenfry to explain voting systems &#124; Local Democracy</title>
		<link>http://www.fairvote.org/blog/2009/06/1394/#comment-593310</link>
		<dc:creator>Celeb visualisations: Calling @stephenfry to explain voting systems &#124; Local Democracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] US-based Fair Vote site makes the very valid point that some attempt at civic education needs to be done in advance of any proposals for electoral reform. It particularly concerns the actor Richard [...]</description>
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